Coimbra to Madrid bus with Alsa

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The cheapest and fastest coaches from Coimbra to Madrid

Showing times, prices and bookable tickets for 07 Oct

Cheapest price on 07 Oct

£34

Average ticket price on 07 Oct

£37

Fastest journey on 07 Oct

6 h 15 m

Average journey duration on 07 Oct

9 h 16 m

Buses on 07 Oct

4

Distance

401 km

Cheap tickets

The best way to find a cheap coach ticket from Coimbra to Madrid is to book your journey as far in advance as possible and to avoid travelling at rush hour.

The average ticket from Coimbra to Madrid will cost around £37 if you buy it on the day, but you can find cheap coach tickets today for only £34.

Fast coaches

On Wed 07 Oct, we found 4 buses from Coimbra to Madrid, including 2 direct services.

These direct buses cover the 401 km distance in an average of 9 h 16 m but if you time it right, some buses will get you there in just 6 h 15 m .

The slowest buses will take 11 h 59 m and usually involve a change or two along the way, but you might be able to save a few pennies if you’re on a budget.

  • FlixBusFlixBus
    23:556h50
    Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária)
    7:45Madrid, Terminal de autobuses T4 (Aeropuerto de Madrid)
    £341One-way
    0 changes
  • FlixBusFlixBus
    23:556h15
    Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária)
    7:10Madrid, Estación Sur de Autobuses
    £371One-way
    0 changes
  • AlsaNormal · Normal
    18:0011h59
    Coimbra
    6:59Madrid, Estación Sur de Autobuses
    £381One-way
    1 change
  • AlsaNormal · Normal
    18:0011h59
    Coimbra
    6:59Madrid, Estación Sur de Autobuses
    £391One-way
    1 change

Journey information

Overview: Bus from Coimbra to Madrid

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Buses from Coimbra to Madrid run on average 15 times per day, taking around 8h 53m. Cheap bus tickets for this journey start at £4 if you book in advance.

There are 4 coaches per day. The earliest coach runs at 00:05, the last at 23:55. The fastest coach covers the 401 km distance in 5h 29m.

Fares are the lowest economy prices found on Omio. Early booking often means lower prices. Prices change daily and are subject to availability. Discount cards, coach trips, and booking fees are not included.
Price information
Distance
401 km
Average bus duration
8h 53m
Cheapest ticket price
£4
Buses per day
15
Direct buses
4
Fastest bus
5h 29m
First bus
0:05
Last bus
23:55
Cheapest Month
Mar
Cheapest Day
Thu
High Season
Jul - Sept
Low Season
Jan - Mar
Busiest Day
Tue
Least Busy Day
Fri
Best time to book
91 days
Fares are the lowest economy prices found on Omio. Early booking often means lower prices. Prices change daily and are subject to availability. Discount cards, coach trips, and booking fees are not included.
Price information

Live departures

Coimbra to Madrid bus times

The table below shows live departures for Coimbra to Madrid coaches for today, Tuesday 6 October. You can also manually refresh the results below to see updated coach journeys.

Last updated at
ProviderDepartsDurationArrivesChanges
Tickets
FlixBusFlixBus23:55 Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária)
6h50
7:45 Madrid, Terminal de autobuses T4 (Aeropuerto de Madrid)0 changesdirect
FlixBusFlixBus23:55 Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária)
6h15
7:10 Madrid, Estación Sur de Autobuses0 changesdirect
Wednesday 7 October
AlsaNormal · Normal18:00 Coimbra
11h59
6:59 Madrid, Estación Sur de Autobuses1 change
AlsaNormal · Normal18:00 Coimbra
11h59
6:59 Madrid, Estación Sur de Autobuses1 change

This is the last bus of the day.

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Rede Expressos as well as Alsa, BlaBlaCar Bus, Internorte, FlixBus and more offer coaches services from Coimbra to Madrid.
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Bus providers: Alsa, Rede Expressos, FlixBus, BlaBlaCar Bus, Internorte from Coimbra to MadridYou can travel by bus between Coimbra to Madrid with Alsa, Rede Expressos, FlixBus, BlaBlaCar Bus, Internorte for as low as £4. When you search for schedules and tickets, Omio will show you the best journey

Alsa

About
Alsa is the main provider of bus travel in Spain and a subsidiary of the UK’s National Express. It operates an extensive network of regional, national, and international routes, transporting more than 300 million passengers annually. Alsa’s modern fleet offers varying levels of comfort and amenities. The standard Alsa Normal buses include free Wi-Fi, onboard bathrooms, footrests, and entertainment. For a more premium experience, Alsa Supra, Alsa Eurobus, and Alsa Premium services provide enhanced comfort and luxury features.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average Alsa Duration
5h 29m
Cheapest Alsa Price
£4
Alsa frequency
10 a day
Luggage included
One carry-on bag up to 10kg and one checked bag up to 25kg.
Additional luggage
Additional luggage can be purchased for a fee.
Cancellation Policy
You can cancel your ticket up to 48 hours before departure for a partial refund. Changes allowed for a fee.
Amenities on board the bus
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Seat reservation
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Assistance; Priority boarding; Accessible seating.
Bikes
Bikes are allowed for an additional fee; must be packed.
Pets
Small pets allowed in carriers; larger pets must travel in the hold.

FlixBus

About
FlixBus is one of Europe’s leading low-cost bus companies, founded in Germany and now offering long-distance services across Europe and the United States. In addition to its extensive daytime network, FlixBus also operates overnight buses on select European routes. Standard amenities include free Wi-Fi, power outlets to charge devices, extra legroom, luggage space, and onboard toilets, with snacks and drinks available for purchase. FlixBus offers a single Standard ticket type for all routes, which includes one carry-on bag and one checked bag per passenger. Additional fees apply for extra luggage and for reserving specific seats, such as Extra Seats, Table Seats, or Panorama Seats. This combination of affordability, comfort, and wide coverage makes FlixBus a popular choice for budget-conscious travelers.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average FlixBus Duration
6h 15m
Cheapest FlixBus Price
£14
FlixBus frequency
2 a day
Luggage included
One carry-on bag up to 7kg (42x30x18 cm) and one checked bag up to 20kg (80x50x30 cm).
Additional luggage
Additional luggage can be purchased for a fee.
Cancellation Policy
You can cancel your ticket up to 15 minutes before departure and receive a voucher for future travel. Refund requests for delays over 120 minutes are possible.
Amenities on board the bus
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Seat reservation
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Assistance; Priority boarding; Wheelchair-accessible buses.
Bikes
Bikes are allowed for a fee; must be booked.
Pets
Small pets in carriers allowed; guide dogs travel for free.

BlaBlaCar Bus

About
BlaBlaCar Bus (formerly known as Ouibus or iDBUS) is a long-distance coach company operating in 10 European countries and connecting over 300 destinations. A subsidiary of the French carpooling company BlaBlaCar, it offers comfortable travel with standard amenities such as air conditioning, toilets, USB and power outlets for charging devices, extra legroom, and adjustable seats. Free Wi-Fi is available on select routes. BlaBlaCar Bus offers only a Standard ticket type, which allows passengers to bring one carry-on bag and up to two checked bags per person.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average BlaBlaCar Bus Duration
6h 59m
Cheapest BlaBlaCar Bus Price
£12
BlaBlaCar Bus frequency
1 a day
Luggage included
One carry-on bag up to 7kg and one checked bag up to 20kg.
Additional luggage
Additional luggage can be purchased for a fee.
Cancellation Policy
You can cancel your ticket up to 30 minutes before departure for a refund in the form of a voucher.
Amenities on board the bus
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Seat reservation
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Assistance; Priority boarding; Accessible seating options.
Bikes
Bikes are allowed; additional fees may apply.

Rede Expressos

About
Rede Expressos is a leading bus company in Portugal, providing reliable and comfortable transportation services to passengers including buses #[+journey]. It operates a fleet of modern buses, ranging from luxury coaches to double-deckers, all equipped with air conditioning, reclining seats, and free Wi-Fi. The company offers a variety of ticket types, including single tickets, return tickets, and multi-trip tickets. It also offers discounts for students, seniors, and children. Rede Expressos operates services to and from major cities and towns in Portugal, including Lisbon, Porto, Faro, and Coimbra. It also offers international routes to Spain, France, and Germany. The company operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, with departures every hour. It is one of the most popular bus companies in Portugal, offering convenient and affordable transportation services to passengers.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average Rede Expressos Duration
7h 0m
Cheapest Rede Expressos Price
£16
Rede Expressos frequency
7 a day
Luggage included
One carry-on bag up to 5kg and one checked bag up to 20kg.
Additional luggage
Additional luggage can be purchased for a fee.
Cancellation Policy
You can cancel your ticket up to 30 minutes before departure for a partial refund. Fees may apply.
Amenities on board the bus
Wifi
Seat reservation
Toilets
Accessibility
Assistance; Priority seating; Accessible buses with wheelchair spaces.
Bikes
Bikes are allowed.
Pets
Small pets allowed in carriers; guide dogs permitted without a carrier.

Internorte

Luggage & cancellation policy
Average Internorte Duration
9h 30m
Cheapest Internorte Price
£28
Internorte frequency
2 a day

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Things to do in Madrid

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Euro (€)

Moderate for Western Europe. Rooms, meals and Metro fares are usually cheaper than Paris or London, but central hotels and popular dining areas raise costs.

Average meal costs

Budget
€8-15 for fast food or menú del día.
Mid-range
€20-35 per person for a restaurant meal.
Fine dining
€60+ per person for upscale restaurants.
Coffee
€1.80-3.50 for coffee or cappuccino.

Tipping culture

Tipping is modest. Round up or leave 5-10% in restaurants for good service. Taxis are usually rounded up. In cafés, leaving small change is enough.

Best day trips from Madrid by bus

The most popular day trips by bus from Madrid are Toledo, Segovia, Ávila, Salamanca and Cuenca. Find out what you can do in these day trip destinations and how to book your bus from Madrid on Omio.

A view of Toledo

Day trip from Madrid to Toledo by bus

Why visit Toledo for the day?

Toledo is a historic hilltop city known for its medieval skyline, cathedral and Christian, Muslim and Jewish heritage. Its winding old streets, stone buildings and Tagus views give it a distinct, time-worn character.

How to get from Madrid to Toledo by bus?

There are 87 coaches per day. The earliest coach runs at 05:15, the last at 23:30. The fastest coach covers the 68 km distance in 50m.

A view of Segovia

Day trip from Madrid to Segovia by bus

Why visit Segovia for the day?

Segovia is known for its Roman aqueduct, the Alcázar and a handsome old town crowned by a grand cathedral. Its Castilian character, historic streets and famous roast suckling pig make it feel elegant yet grounded.

How to get from Madrid to Segovia by bus?

There are 39 coaches per day. The earliest coach runs at 05:35, the last at 23:00. The fastest coach covers the 69 km distance in 1h 20m.

A view of Ávila

Day trip from Madrid to Ávila by bus

Why visit Ávila for the day?

Ávila is best known for its exceptionally well-preserved medieval walls and its strong Castilian character. Granite streets, Romanesque churches and the legacy of Saint Teresa give the city a calm, historic atmosphere.

How to get from Madrid to Ávila by bus?

There are 19 coaches per day. The earliest coach runs at 05:20, the last at 22:00. The fastest coach covers the 88 km distance in 50m.

A view of Salamanca

Day trip from Madrid to Salamanca by bus

Why visit Salamanca for the day?

Salamanca is known for its ancient university, honey-coloured stone and elegant old town. The city feels both scholarly and lively, with historic streets and a strong student presence shaping its character.

How to get from Madrid to Salamanca by bus?

There are 25 coaches per day. The earliest coach runs at 05:30, the last at 22:41. The fastest coach covers the 175 km distance in 2h 15m.

A view of Cuenca

Day trip from Madrid to Cuenca by bus

Why visit Cuenca for the day?

Cuenca is known for its Casas Colgadas and its old town set above a dramatic gorge. Medieval streets, a notable cathedral and a calm Castilian atmosphere define its character.

How to get from Madrid to Cuenca by bus?

There are 8 coaches per day. The earliest coach runs at 07:00, the last at 22:05. The fastest coach covers the 139 km distance in 2h 0m.

FAQs: Coimbra to Madrid coach

Find answers to the most common questions about traveling from Coimbra to Madrid by coach. From journey times and ticket prices to direct connections, first and last departures, and even whether the route is scenic, our FAQs cover everything you need to plan your trip. Whether you’re looking for the fastest coach, the cheapest option, or tips for making the most of your visit at Madrid, this guide helps you travel smarter and with confidence.

FAQs
Cheap coach tickets from Coimbra to Madrid can start from as little as £4 when you book in advance. The average coach ticket price for Coimbra to Madrid is £35; however, prices vary depending on the time of day and class and they tend to be more expensive on the day.
The average journey time by coach from Coimbra to Madrid is 5h 29m to travel the 401 km long route. Journey times can vary on weekends and holidays, so use our Journey Planner to search for a specific date.
The earliest coach from Coimbra to Madrid leaves at 0:05. Plan your trip with the Journey Planner from Omio.
The latest coach from Coimbra to Madrid leaves at 23:55.
Yes, there are 4 direct coaches a day from Coimbra to Madrid with Alsa, FlixBus. Schedules can vary on holidays or weekends with fewer direct coaches.
When taking a coach from Coimbra to Madrid, you can count on Rede Expressos, Alsa, BlaBlaCar Bus, Internorte, FlixBus for the best way to get you to Madrid. You can also check all possible coach companies who offer a service between Coimbra and Madrid and compare the amenities they offer before buying a coach ticket.
When departing from Coimbra , you have various coach station options to start your route from including Coimbra, Av. Fernão de Magalhães (Terminal Rodoviário), Coimbra, Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária), Mealhada, Av. 25 De Abril/ Praça Choupal . When arriving in Madrid , you can end your route in coach stations like Madrid, Estación Sur de Autobuses, Madrid, Terminal de autobuses T4 (Aeropuerto de Madrid), Madrid, Calle de la Princesa / Paseo de Moret (Moncloa).Passengers board the coach most frequently from Coimbra, Av. Fernão de Magalhães (Terminal Rodoviário), which is located around 1 km away from the city centre, and they get off the coach at Madrid, Estación Sur de Autobuses, located 3 away from the city centre.
It's helpful to compare your options as there are 3 ways to travel between Coimbra and Madrid including taking a train, coach and flight.
Yes, there are bathrooms on board the coach from Coimbra to Madrid for coach company Rede Expressos, Alsa, BlaBlaCar Bus, FlixBus.
Yes, the following accessibility options are available when taking the coach from Coimbra to Madrid:
  • Rede Expressos
    • Assistance
    • Priority seating
    • Accessible buses with wheelchair spaces.
  • Alsa
    • Assistance
    • Priority boarding
    • Accessible seating.
  • BlaBlaCar Bus
    • Assistance
    • Priority boarding
    • Accessible seating options.
Whether you can cancel your coach ticket from Coimbra to Madrid depends on the coach companies:
  • Rede Expressos
    • You can cancel your ticket up to 30 minutes before departure for a partial refund. Fees may apply.
  • Alsa
    • You can cancel your ticket up to 48 hours before departure for a partial refund. Changes allowed for a fee.
  • BlaBlaCar Bus
    • You can cancel your ticket up to 30 minutes before departure for a refund in the form of a voucher.
Yes, bikes are allowed on board the coach with coach company Rede Expressos, Alsa, BlaBlaCar Bus.
Tickets are often cheaper when booked early. Traveling during off-peak hours or on weekdays can help you save money. Sort results by price to quickly identify the most affordable options. Check for promotions or discounts available on our website and app.
No, there is no food available to purchase on board the coach from Coimbra to Madrid.
Yes, the following luggage options are included when booking a coach ticket from Coimbra to Madrid:
  • Rede Expressos
    • One carry-on bag up to 5kg and one checked bag up to 20kg.
  • Alsa
    • One carry-on bag up to 10kg and one checked bag up to 25kg.
  • BlaBlaCar Bus
    • One carry-on bag up to 7kg and one checked bag up to 20kg.
Yes, the following additional luggage options are available when booking a coach ticket from Coimbra to Madrid:
  • Rede Expressos
    • Additional luggage can be purchased for a fee.
  • Alsa
    • Additional luggage can be purchased for a fee.
  • BlaBlaCar Bus
    • Additional luggage can be purchased for a fee.
Yes, you can bring your pet on the coach from Coimbra to Madrid. The following conditions apply:
  • Rede Expressos
    • Small pets allowed in carriers
    • guide dogs permitted without a carrier.
  • Alsa
    • Small pets allowed in carriers
    • larger pets must travel in the hold.
  • FlixBus
    • Small pets in carriers allowed
    • guide dogs travel for free.
You can reserve your seat on the coach from Coimbra to Madrid with the following coach company: Rede Expressos, Alsa, BlaBlaCar Bus, FlixBus
Yes, there are USB plugs on board the coach from Coimbra to Madrid with the following coach company: Alsa, BlaBlaCar Bus, FlixBus.
Yes, there is Wifi on board the coach from Coimbra to Madrid with the following coach company: Rede Expressos, Alsa, BlaBlaCar Bus, FlixBus.

popular bus stations

Important Stations and Airports in Coimbra and Madrid

Most Coimbra to Madrid buses use the Coimbra, Av. Fernão de Magalhães (Terminal Rodoviário) to Madrid, Estación Sur de Autobuses station pair, with some services arriving at Madrid, Terminal de autobuses T4 (Aeropuerto de Madrid). Use this guide to compare Coimbra and Madrid bus stations on this route, check city-centre transport, alongside checking practicalities like bus station facilities and services.

Departure bus stations in Coimbra
Arrival bus stations in Madrid

Which Coimbra station do buses to Madrid leave from?

Buses from Coimbra to Madrid leave from Coimbra, Av. Fernão de Magalhães (Terminal Rodoviário). The station is 2 km from Coimbra city centre at Av. Fernao de Magalhaes, 3000-175 Coimbra, Portugal.
Coimbra, Av. Fernão de Magalhães (Terminal Rodoviário)Av. Fernao de Magalhaes, 3000-175 Coimbra, PortugalWifiParkingDiningATMTaxisAccessibilityWCTicket Office
City-centre transport

Getting to Coimbra, Av. Fernão de Magalhães (Terminal Rodoviário) from Coimbra city centre

Coimbra, Av. Fernão de Magalhães (Terminal Rodoviário) is 1 km from Coimbra city centre. Public transport options include:

Bus36, 28, 27, 25, 36T, 25T, 30, 30T, 30F, 36F, 19 · 5m · £2 · every ~33 min
27F · 7m · £2

Coimbra, Av. Fernão de Magalhães (Terminal Rodoviário) bus station facilities and services

Coimbra, Av. Fernão de Magalhães (Terminal Rodoviário) has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Parking, Dining, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC and Ticket Office.

Food and drink

Food options include: Portuguese Eatery (in the station), Fast-Food Outlet (in the station).

Wi-Fi and ATMs

Free Wi-Fi. ATMs are located near the entrance and in the main hall.

Tickets and information

Ticket office support is available at Coimbra, Av. Fernão de Magalhães (Terminal Rodoviário).

Parking, taxis and toilets

Available at Coimbra, Av. Fernão de Magalhães (Terminal Rodoviário): Parking, Taxis, WC.

Accessibility

Accessibility facilities are available at Coimbra, Av. Fernão de Magalhães (Terminal Rodoviário): Elevators, ramps.

CoimbraCoimbra, PortugalWifiParkingDiningATMTaxisAccessibilityWCShowerTicket Office
City-centre transport

Getting to Coimbra from Coimbra city centre

Coimbra is 1 km from Coimbra city centre. Public transport options include:

Bus36, 27, 25, 36T, 25T, 30, 30T, 30F, 36F · 6m · £2 · every ~29 min
27F · 7m · £2

Coimbra bus station facilities and services

Coimbra has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Parking, Dining, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC, Shower and Ticket Office.

Food and drink

Food options include: Snack bar and a cafe are present inside the station.

Wi-Fi and ATMs

Wi-Fi is available at Coimbra. ATMs are aTM located near the main entrance.

Tickets and information

Ticket office support is available at Coimbra.

Parking, taxis and toilets

Available at Coimbra: Parking, Taxis, WC.

Accessibility

Accessibility facilities are available at Coimbra: Wheelchair accessible paths and assistance available.

Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária)Rua do Padrao, Coimbra, PortugalWifiParkingDiningATMTaxisAccessibilityWCTicket Office
City-centre transport

Getting to Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária) from Coimbra city centre

Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária) is 2 km from Coimbra city centre. Public transport options include:

Bus36, 27, 25, 36T, 25T, 30, 30T, 30F, 36F · 6m · £2 · every ~29 min
27F · 7m · £2

Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária) bus station facilities and services

Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária) has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Parking, Dining, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC and Ticket Office.

Food and drink

Food options include: Café Central (0.2 km), Fast Food Express (0.3 km), Restaurante Coimbra (0.5 km).

Wi-Fi and ATMs

Free Wi-Fi. ATMs are located inside the station.

Tickets and information

Ticket office support is available at Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária).

Parking, taxis and toilets

Available at Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária): Parking, Taxis, WC.

Accessibility

Accessibility facilities are available at Coimbra, Rua do Padrao (Rodoviária): Elevators, ramps.

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