- Must visit
Albrecht-Dürer-Haus
Museum in Albrecht Dürer’s former house, presenting his life, prints and the world of Renaissance Nuremberg.
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The cheapest and fastest coaches from Lyon to Nuremberg
Showing times, prices and bookable tickets for 26 Oct
Cheapest price on 26 Oct
£52
Average ticket price on 26 Oct
£60
Fastest journey on 26 Oct
11 h 10 m
Average journey duration on 26 Oct
13 h 25 m
Buses on 26 Oct
6
Distance
622 km
Cheap tickets
The best way to find a cheap coach ticket from Lyon to Nuremberg is to book your journey as far in advance as possible and to avoid travelling at rush hour.
The average ticket from Lyon to Nuremberg will cost around £60 if you buy it on the day, but you can find cheap coach tickets today for only £52.
Fast coaches
On Mon 26 Oct, we found 6 buses from Lyon to Nuremberg, including 3 direct services.
These direct buses cover the 622 km distance in an average of 13 h 25 m but if you time it right, some buses will get you there in just 11 h 10 m .
The slowest buses will take 15 h 25 m and usually involve a change or two along the way, but you might be able to save a few pennies if you’re on a budget.
FlixBus18:0511h10Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland)5:15Nürnberg, ZOB£521One-way0 changes- FlixBus5:2012h25Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland)17:45Nürnberg, ZOB£521One-way0 changes
- FlixBus22:0013h05Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland)11:05Nürnberg, ZOB£531One-way0 changes
- FlixBus · FlixBus9:0015h55Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland)0:55Nürnberg, ZOB£621One-way1 change
- FlixBus · FlixBus12:0515h25Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland)3:30Nürnberg, ZOB£621One-way1 change
- FlixBus18:0511h10Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland)5:15Nürnberg, ZOB£521One-way0 changes
- FlixBus5:2012h25Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland)17:45Nürnberg, ZOB£521One-way0 changes
- FlixBus22:0013h05Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland)11:05Nürnberg, ZOB£531One-way0 changes
7664 · 3051214:5515h00Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland)5:55Nürnberg, ZOB£771One-way1 change- FlixBus · FlixBus12:0515h25Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland)3:30Nürnberg, ZOB£621One-way1 change
Journey information
Overview: Bus from Lyon to Nuremberg
France
Germany
Buses from Lyon to Nuremberg run on average 5 times per day, taking around 13h 1m. Cheap bus tickets for this journey start at £30 if you book in advance.
There are 3 coaches per day. The earliest coach runs at 00:20, the last at 23:55. The fastest coach covers the 622 km distance in 11h 0m.
Fares are the lowest economy prices found on Omio. Early booking often means lower prices. Prices change daily and are subject to availability. Discount cards, coach trips, and booking fees are not included.
Price information
Distance 622 km |
Average bus duration 13h 1m |
Cheapest ticket price £30 |
Buses per day 5 |
Direct buses 3 |
Fastest bus 11h 0m |
First bus 0:20 |
Last bus 23:55 |
Cheapest Month Sept |
Cheapest Day Wed |
High Season Oct - Dec |
Low Season Jan - Mar |
Busiest Day Mon |
Least Busy Day Wed |
Best time to book 35 days |
Fares are the lowest economy prices found on Omio. Early booking often means lower prices. Prices change daily and are subject to availability. Discount cards, coach trips, and booking fees are not included.
Price information
Frequently asked questions about your Lyon to Nuremberg trip
Use these quick route answers to check fares, travel time, departure options, and direct services before booking from Lyon to Nuremberg.
Cheap coach tickets from Lyon to Nuremberg can start from as little as £30 when you book in advance. The average coach ticket price for Lyon to Nuremberg is £53; however, prices vary depending on the time of day and class and they tend to be more expensive on the day.
The earliest coach from Lyon to Nuremberg leaves at 0:20. Plan your trip with the Journey Planner from Omio.
The latest coach from Lyon to Nuremberg leaves at 23:55.
Yes, there are 3 direct coaches a day from Lyon to Nuremberg with FlixBus. Schedules can vary on holidays or weekends with fewer direct coaches.
Live departures
Lyon to Nuremberg bus times
The table below shows live departures for Lyon to Nuremberg coaches for today, Sunday 25 October. You can also manually refresh the results below to see updated coach journeys.
Last updated at
| Provider | Departs | Duration | Arrives | Changes | Tickets |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FlixBus | 22:00 Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland) | 13h05 | 11:05 Nürnberg, ZOB | 0 changesdirect | |
| Monday 26 October | |||||
| FlixBus | 5:20 Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland) | 12h25 | 17:45 Nürnberg, ZOB | 0 changesdirect | |
| FlixBus · FlixBus | 9:00 Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland) | 15h55 | 0:55 Nürnberg, ZOB | 1 change | |
| FlixBus · FlixBus | 12:05 Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland) | 15h25 | 3:30 Nürnberg, ZOB | 1 change | |
| 7664 · 30512 | 14:55 Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland) | 15h00 | 5:55 Nürnberg, ZOB | 1 change | |
| FlixBus | 18:05 Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland) | 11h10 | 5:15 Nürnberg, ZOB | 0 changesdirect | |
This is the last bus of the day. | |||||
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Why should you book Lyon to Nuremberg coaches with Omio?
FlixBus as well as BlaBlaCar Bus offer coaches services from Lyon to Nuremberg.
Omio is an official ticket reseller for all your travel options from Lyon to Nuremberg.
Why book with Omio vs FlixBus?
- Compare with other providers: On Omio, you can not only buy tickets for FlixBus, but also compare tickets for the likes of BlaBlaCar Bus to find the best option for your trip from Lyon to Nuremberg.
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Why book with Omio over Wanderu, Trainline or Checkmybus?
- Compare with other providers: On Omio, you can also compare tickets for the likes of BlaBlaCar Bus to find the best option for your trip from Lyon to Nuremberg.
- Multiple modes of transport: Omio allows you to compare travel options including train, bus and flight to find the ideal travel option from Lyon to Nuremberg.
Bus providers: FlixBus, BlaBlaCar Bus from Lyon to NurembergYou can travel by bus between Lyon to Nuremberg with FlixBus, BlaBlaCar Bus for as low as £30. When you search for schedules and tickets, Omio will show you the best journey
FlixBus
About
FlixBus is one of Europe’s leading low-cost bus companies, founded in Germany and now offering long-distance services across Europe and the United States. In addition to its extensive daytime network, FlixBus also operates overnight buses on select European routes. Standard amenities include free Wi-Fi, power outlets to charge devices, extra legroom, luggage space, and onboard toilets, with snacks and drinks available for purchase. FlixBus offers a single Standard ticket type for all routes, which includes one carry-on bag and one checked bag per passenger. Additional fees apply for extra luggage and for reserving specific seats, such as Extra Seats, Table Seats, or Panorama Seats. This combination of affordability, comfort, and wide coverage makes FlixBus a popular choice for budget-conscious travelers.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average FlixBus Duration
11h 0m
Cheapest FlixBus Price
£30
FlixBus frequency
5 a day
Luggage included
One carry-on bag up to 7kg (42x30x18 cm) and one checked bag up to 20kg (80x50x30 cm).
Additional luggage
Additional luggage can be purchased for a fee.
Cancellation Policy
You can cancel your ticket up to 15 minutes before departure and receive a voucher for future travel. Refund requests for delays over 120 minutes are possible.
Amenities on board the bus
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Seat reservation
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Assistance; Priority boarding; Wheelchair-accessible buses.
Bikes
Bikes are allowed for a fee; must be booked.
Pets
Small pets in carriers allowed; guide dogs travel for free.
BlaBlaCar Bus
About
BlaBlaCar Bus (formerly known as Ouibus or iDBUS) is a long-distance coach company operating in 10 European countries and connecting over 300 destinations. A subsidiary of the French carpooling company BlaBlaCar, it offers comfortable travel with standard amenities such as air conditioning, toilets, USB and power outlets for charging devices, extra legroom, and adjustable seats. Free Wi-Fi is available on select routes. BlaBlaCar Bus offers only a Standard ticket type, which allows passengers to bring one carry-on bag and up to two checked bags per person.
Luggage & cancellation policy
Average BlaBlaCar Bus Duration
12h 25m
Cheapest BlaBlaCar Bus Price
£40
BlaBlaCar Bus frequency
1 a day
Luggage included
One carry-on bag up to 7kg and one checked bag up to 20kg.
Additional luggage
Additional luggage can be purchased for a fee.
Cancellation Policy
You can cancel your ticket up to 30 minutes before departure for a refund in the form of a voucher.
Amenities on board the bus
Wifi
Food sold onboard
Seat reservation
Toilets
USB plugs
Accessibility
Assistance; Priority boarding; Accessible seating options.
Bikes
Bikes are allowed; additional fees may apply.
Companies, tickets, and onboard amenities between Lyon and Nuremberg
Review the details behind your booking, from operators and ticket rules to luggage, onboard amenities, accessibility, and route-specific travel policies.
When taking a coach from Lyon to Nuremberg, you can count on FlixBus, BlaBlaCar Bus for the best way to get you to Nuremberg. You can also check all possible coach companies who offer a service between Lyon and Nuremberg and compare the amenities they offer before buying a coach ticket.
Yes, there are bathrooms on board the coach from Lyon to Nuremberg for coach company FlixBus, BlaBlaCar Bus.
Yes, the following accessibility options are available when taking the coach from Lyon to Nuremberg:
- BlaBlaCar Bus
- Assistance
- Priority boarding
- Accessible seating options.
- FlixBus
- Assistance
- Priority boarding
- Wheelchair-accessible buses.
Whether you can cancel your coach ticket from Lyon to Nuremberg depends on the coach companies:
- BlaBlaCar Bus
- You can cancel your ticket up to 30 minutes before departure for a refund in the form of a voucher.
- FlixBus
- You can cancel your ticket up to 15 minutes before departure and receive a voucher for future travel. Refund requests for delays over 120 minutes are possible.
Yes, bikes are allowed on board the coach with coach company {providersWithBike}.
No, there is no food available to purchase on board the coach from Lyon to Nuremberg.
Yes, the following luggage options are included when booking a coach ticket from Lyon to Nuremberg:
- BlaBlaCar Bus
- One carry-on bag up to 7kg and one checked bag up to 20kg.
- FlixBus
- One carry-on bag up to 7kg (42x30x18 cm) and one checked bag up to 20kg (80x50x30 cm).
Yes, the following additional luggage options are available when booking a coach ticket from Lyon to Nuremberg:
- BlaBlaCar Bus
- Additional luggage can be purchased for a fee.
- FlixBus
- Additional luggage can be purchased for a fee.
Yes, you can bring your pet on the coach from Lyon to Nuremberg. The following conditions apply:
- FlixBus
- Small pets in carriers allowed
- guide dogs travel for free.
You can reserve your seat on the coach from Lyon to Nuremberg with the following coach company: FlixBus, BlaBlaCar Bus
Yes, there are USB plugs on board the coach from Lyon to Nuremberg with the following coach company: FlixBus, BlaBlaCar Bus.
Yes, there is Wifi on board the coach from Lyon to Nuremberg with the following coach company: FlixBus, BlaBlaCar Bus.
Complete guide to Nuremberg
Things to do in Nuremberg
Discover the best of Nuremberg — top attractions, local food, transport tips, budget advice, and currency essentials. Plan your perfect Nuremberg trip today.
- Recommended
Neues Museum Nürnberg
Major art museum with European works from the late Middle Ages to modern periods in a bold contemporary building.
- Recommended
DB Museum Nürnberg
Extensive museum on German railways with historic locomotives, interactive displays and family-friendly exhibitions.
- Must visit
Hauptmarkt
Central market square lined with historic façades and stalls, ideal for people-watching and easy Old Town sightseeing.
- Recommended
Weissgerbergasse
Attractive riverside street with half-timbered houses, among the prettiest surviving medieval lanes in the city.
- Recommended
Handwerkerhof
Historic artisan quarter south of the river, filled with lanes, workshops and a traditional Old Town atmosphere.
Nürnberger Rostbratwürste
Small marjoram-spiced pork sausages, traditionally grilled over beechwood and served in sets or in a bread roll. A defining speciality of Nuremberg.
Drei im Weggla
A long crusty roll filled with three Nuremberg sausages and mustard. It is a classic local street food eaten quickly at sausage stalls.
- Vegetarian
Nürnberger Lebkuchen
Lebkuchen from Nuremberg, a spiced gingerbread often made with nuts, candied peel and wafers. It is strongly tied to the city’s Christmas baking tradition.
Albrecht-Dürer-Stube
Traditional Franconian inn serving roast meats, sausages and seasonal dishes in a wood-panelled, old-world atmosphere beneath the castle.
Bratwursthäusle
Historic bratwurst kitchen near the Hauptmarkt, known for traditional Nuremberg sausages in a rustic, fast-moving old-town setting.
Heilig-Geist-Spital
Well-known old-town restaurant with polished Franconian cooking, local wine and a more refined feel while keeping regional classics at the centre.
Euro (€)
Moderate for Germany: hotels and dining are usually cheaper than Munich, while public transport and everyday food remain manageable for most city-break budgets.
Average meal costs
- Budget
- €8-12 for fast food or a simple lunch.
- Mid-range
- €18-30 per person for a restaurant meal.
- Fine dining
- €60+ per person for upscale dining.
- Coffee
- €3-4.50 for a cappuccino.
Tipping culture
Round up in cafés and taxis, or tip about 5-10% in restaurants. In Germany, tips are usually given directly when paying rather than left on the table.
NürnbergMOBIL
Get the appOfficial public transport app
Prices
- Single ticket
- €3.65
- Day pass
- €10.60
To the city centre
Nürnberg, ZOB -> Nürnberg Hauptbahnhof
- Distance
- 1 km
- Travel time
- 15 min
- Buy single and day tickets in NürnbergMOBIL or the VGN app for the online fare; the standard local single ticket in fare zone A is cheaper there than at a machine.
- Nürnberg ZOB is walkable to Nürnberg Hauptbahnhof in about 15 minutes. For card or contactless payment on vehicles, check locally in the official app or at the stop before boarding.
Best day trips from Nuremberg by bus
The most popular day trips by bus from Nuremberg are Munich, Würzburg, Regensburg, Bamberg and Augsburg. Find out what you can do in these day trip destinations and how to book your bus from Nuremberg on Omio.
Day trip from Nuremberg to Munich by bus
Why visit Munich for the day?
Munich is Bavaria’s capital, known for historic squares, beer halls and strong museum collections. Around Marienplatz and the Residenz, it feels elegant and traditional, while districts like Schwabing give it a more relaxed edge.
How to get from Nuremberg to Munich by bus?
There are 14 coaches per day. The earliest coach runs at 00:05, the last at 23:55. The fastest coach covers the 150 km distance in 1h 45m.
Day trip from Nuremberg to Würzburg by bus
Why visit Würzburg for the day?
Würzburg is a Franconian city on the Main known for the Residenz, Baroque streets and local wine. Its compact centre and hilltop Marienberg Fortress give it a historic yet youthful feel.
How to get from Nuremberg to Würzburg by bus?
There are 8 coaches per day. The earliest coach runs at 01:05, the last at 23:45. The fastest coach covers the 90 km distance in 1h 30m.
Day trip from Nuremberg to Regensburg by bus
Why visit Regensburg for the day?
Regensburg is known for its remarkably preserved medieval old town on the Danube, shaped by Roman roots and mercantile wealth. The cathedral, Stone Bridge and lively student atmosphere give it a historic yet easy-going character.
How to get from Nuremberg to Regensburg by bus?
There are 5 coaches per day. The earliest coach runs at 01:05, the last at 23:50. The fastest coach covers the 89 km distance in 1h 20m.
Day trip from Nuremberg to Bamberg by bus
Why visit Bamberg for the day?
Bamberg is known for its well-preserved medieval centre, a UNESCO World Heritage Site set across seven hills. The Regnitz river, the Altes Rathaus and a strong brewing tradition give the city a distinctive Franconian character.
How to get from Nuremberg to Bamberg by bus?
The earliest coach runs at 00:05, the last at 14:25.
Day trip from Nuremberg to Augsburg by bus
Why visit Augsburg for the day?
Augsburg is known for its Roman origins, Renaissance centre and the Fugger family’s influence. Canals, water towers and the Fuggerei give the city a historic feel shaped by Swabian culture.
How to get from Nuremberg to Augsburg by bus?
The earliest coach runs at 07:20, the last at 15:10. The fastest coach covers the 121 km distance in 4h 5m.
FAQs: Lyon to Nuremberg coach
Find answers to the most common questions about traveling from Lyon to Nuremberg by coach. From journey times and ticket prices to direct connections, first and last departures, and even whether the route is scenic, our FAQs cover everything you need to plan your trip. Whether you’re looking for the fastest coach, the cheapest option, or tips for making the most of your visit at Nuremberg, this guide helps you travel smarter and with confidence.
It's helpful to compare your options as there are 3 ways to travel between Lyon and Nuremberg including taking a train, coach and flight.
Tickets are often cheaper when booked early. Traveling during off-peak hours or on weekdays can help you save money. Sort results by price to quickly identify the most affordable options. Check for promotions or discounts available on our website and app.
popular bus stations
Important Stations and Airports in Lyon and Nuremberg
Most Lyon to Nuremberg buses use the Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland) to Nürnberg, ZOB station pair. Use this guide to compare Lyon and Nuremberg bus stations on this route, check city-centre transport, alongside checking practicalities like bus station facilities and services.
Departure bus stations in Lyon
Arrival bus stations in Nuremberg
Which Lyon station do buses to Nuremberg leave from?
Buses from Lyon to Nuremberg leave from Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland). The station is 3 km from Lyon city centre at 52 Av. Tony Garnier, 69007 Lyon, France.
Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland)52 Av. Tony Garnier, 69007 Lyon, France
City-centre transport
Getting to Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland) from Lyon city centre
Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland) is 2 km from Lyon city centre. Public transport options include:
BusN734 · 15m · £1
Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland) bus station facilities and services
Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland) has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Parking, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC, Shower and Ticket Office.
Wi-Fi and ATMs
Wi-Fi is available at Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland). ATMs are available at Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland).
Tickets and information
Ticket office support is available at Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland).
Parking, taxis and toilets
Available at Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland): Parking, Taxis, WC.
Accessibility
Accessibility facilities are available at Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland): Station is accessible for passengers with reduced mobility.
Lyon, Gare Routière de Perrache13 Cours de Verdun, 69002 Lyon, France
City-centre transport
Getting to Lyon, Gare Routière de Perrache from Lyon city centre
Lyon, Gare Routière de Perrache is 1 km from Lyon city centre. Public transport options include:
TrainTer · 5m · £1 · every ~5 min
Lyon, Gare Routière de Perrache bus station facilities and services
Lyon, Gare Routière de Perrache has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Parking, Dining, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC and Ticket Office.
Food and drink
Food options include: Café de la Gare (in the station), Le Bistrot de Lyon (0.5 km), Brasserie Georges (0.6 km).
Wi-Fi and ATMs
Free Wi-Fi. ATMs are located near the main entrance.
Tickets and information
Ticket office support is available at Lyon, Gare Routière de Perrache.
Parking, taxis and toilets
Available at Lyon, Gare Routière de Perrache: Parking, Taxis, WC.
Accessibility
Accessibility facilities are available at Lyon, Gare Routière de Perrache: Elevators, ramps.
Lyon, St Exupéry AéroportLyon St Exupéry Aéroport, 69125 Colombier-Saugnieu, France
City-centre transport
Getting to Lyon, St Exupéry Aéroport from Lyon city centre
Lyon, St Exupéry Aéroport is 2 km from Lyon city centre. Public transport options include:
TrainRx · 29m · £15 · every ~8 min
BusS766, 776, 787, N760, N1759, 1776, 1624, N746, 1779, S1736, 1606, 1787, 1676 · 38m · £2 · every ~1 min
Lyon, St Exupéry Aéroport bus station facilities and services
Lyon, St Exupéry Aéroport has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Parking, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC, Shower and Ticket Office.
Wi-Fi and ATMs
Wi-Fi is available at Lyon, St Exupéry Aéroport. ATMs are available at Lyon, St Exupéry Aéroport.
Tickets and information
Ticket office support is available at Lyon, St Exupéry Aéroport.
Parking, taxis and toilets
Available at Lyon, St Exupéry Aéroport: Parking, Taxis, WC.
Accessibility
Accessibility facilities are available at Lyon, St Exupéry Aéroport: Access ramps and services available.
Which Nuremberg station do buses from Lyon arrive at?
Buses from Lyon to Nuremberg arrive at Nürnberg, ZOB. Nürnberg, ZOB is 1 km from Nuremberg city centre.
Nürnberg, ZOBWilly-Brandt-Platz 4, 90402 Nurnberg, Germany
City-centre transport
Getting to Nürnberg, ZOB from Nuremberg city centre
Nürnberg, ZOB is 1 km from Nuremberg city centre. Public transport options include:
Bus36, 46, 47 Metro: U1, U2 Train: S1, S2
Nürnberg, ZOB bus station facilities and services
Nürnberg, ZOB has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Parking, Dining, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC and Ticket Office.
Food and drink
Food options include: Bakery (in the station), Fast Food Outlet (in the station).
Wi-Fi and ATMs
Free Wi-Fi. ATMs are located near the main entrance.
Tickets and information
Ticket office support is available at Nürnberg, ZOB.
Parking, taxis and toilets
Available at Nürnberg, ZOB: Parking, Taxis, WC.
Accessibility
Accessibility facilities are available at Nürnberg, ZOB: Elevators, ramps.
Bus stations for Lyon to Nuremberg
Check bus stations information for Lyon and Nuremberg, including where buses depart and arrive on this route.
When departing from Lyon , you have various coach station options to start your route from including Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland), Lyon, Gare Routière de Perrache, Lyon, St Exupéry Aéroport, Lyon . When arriving in Nuremberg , you can end your route in coach stations like Nürnberg, ZOB.Passengers board the coach most frequently from Lyon, Avenue Tony Garnier (Gare routière de Lyon Gerland), which is located around 3 km away from the city centre, and they get off the coach at Nürnberg, ZOB, located 1 away from the city centre.
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